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#66 01/19/2006 14:01 CET ![]() User-ID: 1 Group: Moderators I shifted the quilt up and to the left in order to focus on the already visible tiles. #68 01/21/2006 02:11 CET User-ID: 20 Group: Senior Members Just curious: How can there be a tile that is disconnected from the rest? (the lowest one of the not-yet-visible tiles on this quilt) #69 01/21/2006 18:26 CET ![]() User-ID: 1 Group: Moderators The tile is connected to the uppermost tile in the same column. The edges of this particular quilt are configured to wrap in both directions. #113 02/08/2006 08:30 CET User-ID: 47 Group: Junior Members I did a tile and I've been offered the tile just above it. I was thinking that as I already know what the bottom tile looks like that I already know how to continue it, however, I felt that that would also go against one of the ideas behind this kind of effort. Ruling or advice please. #114 02/08/2006 12:29 CET ![]() User-ID: 1 Group: Moderators You can of course take any tile you like, but if you don't want the one you're offered, just click the "shuffle" button to get another one. Personally, I normally don't take tiles adjacent to my own because it's more fun if you don't know what's on the other side. Have fun! #116 02/18/2006 23:36 CET User-ID: 42 Group: Members hmmm. definitely not a good idea to mirror the edges you get. it's too obvious and recognizable. it sticks out in a bad way. better to actually draw your own continuations. #117 02/19/2006 08:02 CET User-ID: 41 Group: Senior Members hmmm, surprise surprise.... tunaīs in the house. Why donīt you wait until you can actually see the tile and then really "judge" (though I remember you stating that one canīt possibly judge art!). You might find that it does sometimes make sense and not ALWAYS stick out in a bad way.....Seems to be hard when you are not "playing" the game anymore (good, that nobody has ever found the time or pleasure to comment on all bad edges, misinterpretations of titles and so on......) #118 02/19/2006 10:01 CET User-ID: 42 Group: Members my comment was offered as helpful criticism. sorry if it rubbed anyone the wrong way. some things have been proven over time to work better than others. why repeat the mistakes of others if we don't have to? on the "introduction" page you'll find a few good suggestions. 'creating a seamless tile' is a good one... mirroring another tiles edge may seem like a good quick fix but it is easy to spot, and therefore not a truly seamless blend. another good example that you'll also find on the intro page while we're at it... 'don't paint your subject in the center of your tile and leave the edges empty'. the result is a grouping of separate images instead of one seamless painting... the "make love not war" quilt is a good example. and for anyone who is interested, here is a good tutorial on tiling by a couple of the tiling experts at tiles.ice.org . the bit towards the bottom titled "General tips for making better quilts" is particularly apropos here. http://ice.org/index.php?display=tutorial&tutorialID=8 as for your suggestion that i paint. i painted 1/3 of the available tiles on the giger quilt and i didn't want to be a complete hog so i backed off. and i do currently paint. just not here right now. when i see something else i want to join in on, i will. i'm not interested in working on any of the other quilts just now... with the exceptions of the freestyle [if it had been hidden tiles instead of instantly visible] and the 'beast and babes' quilt. i'm still waiting for something to pop up that inspires me on that quilt ...and now i see that it is has been changed to the 'beast, babes and smurfs???' quilt. yikes! i'm not claiming to be an expert but i tiled at tiles.ice.org for awhile and i've seen and studied thousands of tiles and hundreds of quilts and maybe learned a bit about what works and what doesn't from the experts there. oh, if you're going to continue quoting me, please get it correct. i never said art shouldn't be judged. we can't help but "judge" a piece of work when we look at it. we judge whether we like it or not immediately, for example. what i said was that 'voting a score' on art is screwed up. that was THE biggest mistake made at tiles.ice and i hated to see it starting all over after finally finding a decent new quilting site. so much so that i lashed out i guess. i admit it... so go figure... who ever heard of a tempermental artist? an open forum to discuss what we like about or would do differently ourselves on a piece is all that is necessary. Cybris agreed and removed the scoring. so, i have no problem with this site and i hope it grows. i'm currently lurking and waiting for something to inspire me. #119 02/19/2006 11:51 CET User-ID: 41 Group: Senior Members Okay...since I love repeating myself (I am a woman), once again: you will find, when the tile becomes visible, that I mirrored YOUR edges for a purpose and that was not because I was trying to make it easy on myself! What I donīt like is that you tend to generally comment on something YOU donīt like or do, instead of only pointing to the ONE thing that you are really referring to. Because "Helpful criticism" is wanted!!! If you are waiting for inspiration, ok...but I remember (and I know Iīm not misquoting) that you didnīt want to play with us anymore... and since you are so good at judging and being jugded (whereīs the evidence?), here my honest statement: if you are so damn good, then do what you do BEST (good artists can paint, even without inspiration)! Contribute and donīt complain! I can see that you are good, as well as I can see that you are not perfect. And I would much more like to enjoy your artwork than backstroke your temper Oh, and you didnīt rub me the wrong way...Iīm still here and I knew youīd be back... #120 02/20/2006 03:20 CET User-ID: 42 Group: Members yes, women often repeat themselves i know, many of them love to argue, most love to get the last word, and premenopausal women are sane about 10 days per month XD the suggestions i offered were the same suggestions that i encountered when i started painting digitally. i thought they would be of help. but take em or leave em. i paint when i want to. not because someone dares me to. i didn't say i was "so damned good" and i didn't say i didn't WANT to play ...the scores said who was good and who was better, and i thought it a stupid way to judge artwork, so i suggested that i would not be playing here if the scoring system was going to remain intact. i never said i did not WANT to play here. i'm still here too, and i know you wont be able to resist giving me another earful instead of accepting the suggestions that were given and using them to grow as an artist. #121 02/20/2006 05:24 CET User-ID: 41 Group: Senior Members Wrong..itīs an eyeful! and to bad you donīt recognize a compliment when you read one. And you are right, as usual... so who cares #122 02/20/2006 07:21 CET User-ID: 42 Group: Members ok. let me try to do this right. i am far from perfect. i know that. maybe we can ignore my tendency to rant, and get back to suggestions for tiling that were passed on by long time tiling experts... by themselves, these suggestions won't make anyone a great artist, myself included. but they can allow us to avoid some of the mistakes that others have learned from and make tiling with us more fun for others... the link i gave before to a tiling tutorial at ice says... "General tips for making better quilts NEVER take someone else's drawing or photo and put it in your tile.." ...when you mirror any part of another artists edges, any part of it, you are doing just what that guideline warns against. they are only guidelines of course but they can help us all get past beginner mistakes. another of those guidelines is the seamless blend thing. mirroring almost always screams out, to me at least, "here is the edge between these two tiles". maybe it will look fine when the whole tile is visible, but with just the edges of the available tile showing it's hard for me to imagine that it wont be noticeable. i know i should be more diplomatic. or just diplomatic period. sorry bout that. i'll try to be nicer and sorry if i was too vague before. #123 02/20/2006 09:35 CET ![]() User-ID: 21 Group: Members LOL, good debate On mirroring edges: Sometimes it works, sometimes not. On my first crappy tile for this quilt http://www.onlinequilt.net/tiles/101 I fully expect the next image to start by mirroring my edge. Why anyone would draw the same stuff again is beyond me You guys and gals are so much better than me it hurts X-o Make the best of it. And hey I'm a guy and I'm not even sane 10 days of the month I don't give a shit #124 02/21/2006 21:39 CET User-ID: 31 Group: Junior Members hello there i found a fish a damn big one a tunaaaaaaa!! #126 02/24/2006 17:33 CET User-ID: 31 Group: Junior Members #135 03/06/2006 22:14 CET User-ID: 42 Group: Members hi jito! jaylove: you stated "...you will find, when the tile becomes visible, that I mirrored YOUR edges for a purpose ..." ... i see the tile now but i still don't see the purpose of the mirroring. still just looks like a time saver to me. not trying to be mean. just honest curiosity.
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